Daily Archives: August 14, 2009

The Mob versus Hope and Change

Below is an exchange of comments between myself and one of my blog readers named Paul. Paul posted his comments against my post of the Glenn Beck video clip of the “Disinformation Czar”. In the spirit of free speech I approved his comments because I believe everyone has a right to their opinion. I also write my blog with the hope that it can spark intelligent and spirited debate about the issues that I choose to cover. I posted the Beck video for two reasons I thought it raised a few good points and I appreciate that it did it with humor. It was funny and let’s face it as serious as this debate has become, occasionally we need a laugh. 

I have moved this from the comments section to the front page to give Paul his moment in the sun. Apparently he is quite angry that there are people speaking out against the socialistic policies of the new administration. However, rather than defend these policies with facts, Paul attacks the people. This is why this debate has run so far of track. We are not debating the merits of the ideas. Instead we are name calling and attacking people.

Please read the exchange of comments and draw your own conclusions:

Comment by Paul

We first heard from the birthers, with their fake “birth certificate” in hand and with their fake outrage. These are the same under tones that you saw from Republicans during the confirmation hearings for Sonia Sotomayor, “you are not like us” or “you are too different”, “you are not main stream”. And then they act surprised when people do not vote with them, they are lost, no core beliefs, too bad.

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while at the same time trying to take away their rights) and that’s who they need to focus on if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

It’s funny we hear Republicans say that they do not want “faceless bureaucrats” making medical decisions but they have no problem with “private sector” “faceless bureaucrats” daily declining medical coverage and financially ruining good hard working people. And who says that the “private sector” is always right, do we forget failures like Long-Term Capital, WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, Tyco, AIG and Lehman Brothers. Of course the federal government will destroy heathcare by getting involved, Oh but wait our military men and women and the Senate and Congress get the best heathcare in the world, and oh, that’s right, its run by our federal government. I can understand why some may think that the federal government will fail, if you look at the past eight years as a current history, with failures like the financial meltdown, Katrina, and the Walter Reed Scandal but the facts is they can and if we support them they will succeed.

Reply by Dave Johannes

Paul – All I can say is you are unfortunately unrealistic. I am about as far from being a member of the religious right as you can get. Whether we are talking healthcare reform, bailouts or climate change – the bottom line is too much federal government is bad. I believe in the Constitution and limited federal government.
Your mistake is assuming that I am a republican. At this point my loyalty will be with people not parties. I am looking for leaders that share my values – one of which is HONESTY. This is a value that the current bunch seems to be in short supply of. This group is intent on “fundamentally transforming America” into something I don’t want which is a socialist state. I am not sure where the next true American leaders will come from but they are currently a rarity in Washington. In the meantime you should do a little research so that you really understand the issues. If that sounds arrogant – “oh well”, you should be OK with it, after all you seem to think the bunch in Washington is doing a great job, and you certainly don’t get more arrogant than they are!
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Comment by Paul

It is very American to want to help our fellow countryman. I believe in my government especially our men and women in our military, firefighters and police. You, not so much. Lets face it the previous administration did nothing (except start two wars of choice that are bankrupting our country with all the “war profiteering” contracts to Halliburton) well you and I will just have to agree to not agree. I did not believe any of the Republican rhetoric before the last election and I do not believe them now. I do not believe that your sentiments are in line with the majority, but your comments, funny stuff.

How does shouting down to stop the conversation of the healthcare debate at town hall meetings, endears them to anyone. Especially when the organizations that are telling them where to go and what to do and say are Republicans political operatives, not real grassroots. How does shouting someone down or chasing them out like a “lynch mob” advanced the debate, it does not. So I think the American people will see through all of this and know, like the teabagger, the birthers, these lynch mobs types AKA “screamers” are just the same, people who have to resort to these tactics because they have no leadership to articulate what they real want. It’s easy to pickup a bus load of people who hate, and that’s all I been seeing, they hate and can’t debate. Too bad.

 Reply by Dave Johannes

Paul, Dude: FOCUS – what are you talking about? I don’t mind you leaving a comment but what does this have to do with the Beck video? Do you need a blog? Start one and send me the link and I’ll make comments on your posts.

Seriously – where do you come up with I “don’t believe in my government especially our men and women in our military, firefighters and police”. I love this country. I have been working and paying taxes for 30+ years without complaining.

However, this administration is endorsing policies and programs that will destroy our economy and our way of life – which Oh by the way, is pretty damn good. I am not interested in participating in this socialistic campaign to CHANGE America. If the only way to be heard is to raise our voices so be it. Apparently those in Washington feel they know what’s best for us even if it is not what we want. The polls all clearly show that while we want improvements to the healthcare system – the majority do not want this overhaul or government run (socialized) healthcare or a single payer system.
Since this is still America, like it or not, we have a right to express ourselves. That is why even though I think you are clueless about what is going on, I publish your comments because in AMERICA – even if you are completely wrong you have a right to be heard.

I also think that your categorization of concerned American citizens as birthers, teabaggers and lynch mobs is just more evidence that you are sadly uninformed and very naive. I mean after all it would be like me calling you a socialist, “leftwing moonbat” even though I know nothing about you except we obviously do not agree on healthcare. Now that wouldn’t be fair, would it?

There are new leaders stepping forward from the conservative groups who will articulate our message which is one of liberty and freedom based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I don’t know if you have heard of the historic American documents on which our government was founded on. If you would like a copy of these documents I’d be glad to send you them, to help with your education. Thanks for the comments and stay in touch – maybe I’ll be able to persuade you that just because we don’t agree that everyone on the other side isn’t a “lynch mob of anarchists”.


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